Congratulations to the evil, disrespectful Tom Brady on winning the MVP Award today. He got 49 out of 50 votes, with the Ultimate Warrior getting the other one (I can't imagine what state that vote came from).
The Season of Evil continues...
Here are a couple of comments I enjoyed from the ESPN.com
"The cheats are getting all of the awards."
-Hardy121
"are you kidding me wow 50 td passes nfl record. but he is still not the best qb in the nfl. not when peyton manning is playing. even known that manning trails brady in super bowls 3 to1 but their numbers are not even close this was bradys greatest year ever with alot more what peyton had. last time i checked peyton has over 41000 yards and 306 td passes. while brady has only 26000 yards and 197tds. he is lucky to be in that team.so i still think that manning is the best qb and brady # 2. p.s im a huge jets and cowboys fan"
-sebrol
I particularly enjoyed the last one where he decides not to include the fact that Brady didn't start playing in the NFL until 3 years later.
Saturday, January 5, 2008
Tom Brady Wins MVP
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This is kind of Nerdy but I had some time this morning to compare the two...Now I would consider win% the most important aspect as a QB and Peyton surely had more to work with in his career than Brady including both Marshall Faulk, and Edgerrin James as RB's and Harrison his entire time. Here are some stats to digest through Brady and Manning's first 5 seasons and then some career breakdown's:
Manning: Brady:
'98: 3-13 '01: 11-4 (inc Jets L)
'99: 13-3 '02: 9-7
'00: 10-6 '03: 14-2
'01: 6-10 '04: 14-2
'02: 10-6 '05: 10-6
.525 win% .734 win%
Playoff w/l between the 2 isn't even close so let's not bother with that. Here are some Career stats:
Manning per Season (10 seasons):
4,163 yds
31 TD's
15 Int's
94.7 Rating
Brady per Season (7 seasons):
3,767 yds
28 TD's
12 Int's
92.9 Rating
Here is what each gives per game on average:
Manning (160 games):
260 yds
2 TD's (technically 1.95)
1 Int (technically .956)
Brady (112 games):
235 yds
2 TD's (technically 1.76)
1 Int (technically .768)
Honestly, I think you can see that yes, Manning does "technically put up slightly better numbers per game than Brady but if you would rather have .2 more td's and .2 more interceptions per game and another 25 yards and have 1 super bowl instead of 3 and lose 21% more games per year, than, sure, give me Manning...*dry heave*...where do they find these Manning lovers, honestly. Brady is going to go down as the greatest QB to ever play the game whether or not his career "numbers" are higher than Manning's or not. Let's just face the facts here folks...thank you, and I'm spent.
this was bradys greatest year ever with alot more what peyton had
Proto-literacy issues aside, isn't this an argument FOR giving Brady the MVP over Manning? Not to mention that the award is for a single season rather than some arbitrary time period, e.g., Manning Career Unit or some such.
Thanks for the analysis FuManJew, and your numbers show some interesting clarification on stats. I think my fundamental problem is that you weigh win % as the most important aspect in judging the better QB. It's one of the biggest pet peeves I have in sports (same as judging a pitcher for a cy young based on wins). The thing is, and we'd need the football version of Bill James to answer this, what percentage of the outcome is reliant on the play of the quarterback? I'm guessing if someone created a formula it wouldn't amount to more than 35% for an elite QB. Manning had the stats. He also had a terrible defense up until the playoffs of last year, so he had to use the pass to outscore opponents. Brady has almost always had a top 5 scoring defense (not total defense just scoring which is what matters). So to say that Brady is the better QB because of the rings or wins in a "first five years" comparison, in my mind, tells only 35% of the story. If you go with win % you can't also use the "did more with less" theory because Brady had major coaching, special teams, and defense advantages over Manning in their first five years.
Personally I see Manning/Brady the same way I see Magic/Bird. You're not going to find a consensus on whether Bird or Magic was the better player and I don't think you'll find that on Manning/Brady. In the end, I think the head-to-head will be weighed heavily and I think they'll be fairly even if the rest of their careers play out in similar fashion. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
John, you are right, I think when I started this comment I had intended to only show win% and realized that I needed much more to back it up. I just never went back to change that statement. I agree though that the Pats did have a dominating defense during his early years (and they still have a good D) so I think the other stats I put on there are a good barometer to back up what you referenced (ala Bird vs. Magic), that no matter what these two guys retire with for final numbers, they will both be two of the best quarterbacks ever to have played the game. And to say I had a chance to see it and live during this time is probably the luckiest thing I can imagine (aside from finding the eternal fountain of youth, or hitting the powerball). I truly enjoy the comedic articles you put together on a regular basis. It makes for some very entertaining reading.
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